Vote! For the Real 113412 DSSH - Alphabet Series #1 - Cheshire Cat

Discussion in 'Pin Comparison' started by TheMickeyMouseRules, Apr 6, 2019.

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Pick A, B or both for which you think is a real pin #113412?

This poll will close on Apr 22, 2019 at 3:05 PM.
  1. Pin A is the legit pin

  2. Pin B is the legit pin

  3. Both A and B are the legit pins

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  1. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    Below are pictures of two pins. Both are 113412.

    One pin was obtained through private trade.

    One pin was obtained from DSSH pin event board (on 24Mar2019.)

    I have come to a conclusion that one of the pins was not offered to the public by DSSH, but thought this could be an interesting exercise for DPF members to pick out the pin they think looks [more] legit.
    1) Optional: Please pick Pin A, Pin B or both in the survey at the top of the thread.
    2) Optional: post reason(s) for your selection.

    Survey poll will auto close on April 22th.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2019
  2. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    The Pictures
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    Pin on your left: Pin A
    Pin on your right: Pin B


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    Pin on your left: Pin B
    Pin on your right: Pin A


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    Upper pin (full pin): Pin B
    Lower pin (paritial pin): Pin A


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    Upper pin (partial pin): Pin B
    Lower pin (full pin): Pin A

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    Pin on your left (full): Pin B
    Pin on your right (partial): Pin A

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    Pin on your left: Pin B
    Pin on your right: Pin A
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    Last edited: Apr 6, 2019
  3. momin.ator

    momin.ator Well-Known Member

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    Can't tell you which is which. I also traded for it and then found out it had been counterfeited.
    I hope I don't have a counterfeit. I hope you don't either.
     
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  4. Spr175psu

    Spr175psu Well-Known Member

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    I used to have the legit one but not anymore. I can check my Ariel from the same group to see what the back looks like and then I'll choose.
     
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  5. noone

    noone Active Member

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    I picked Pin B, the biggest reason being the tail. The real pin should have the last ring of the tale a slightly different shade of pink then the prior ring. I see this occuring in pin B but not in pin A. I actually didn't see anything but the first picture when i voted so that's what i went off of. ;)
     
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  6. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    Clue 1: ice cream pattern on back of the pin which has a better chance of being legit continues to edge with no gap.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2019
  7. chubs191

    chubs191 Beautiful Tomorrow Admirer

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    The pin post isn't electroplated on A. Lesser quality electroplating materials.
     
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  8. CCofRR13

    CCofRR13 Well-Known Member

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    This is one pin that I am almost afraid to buy or trade for. Evil-bay always has boatloads for sale
     
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  9. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    I agree... and there is a major issue I did not notice when obtained one via trade (this issue alone should have stopped me from trading.) Does anyone see it?
     
  10. TonkaToy

    TonkaToy Si & Am Lover!

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    Eyebrows, pupils and nostrils are gold on the fake, not black as they should be on the legit pin....
     
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  11. noone

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    Here's my guess for major issue, (assuming we haven't listed the issue yet already):
    Theres no graduated depth in the fake inside the letters its a straight drop off (unfilled area) where as on the real one it is a graduated depth?
     
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  12. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

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    No idea, but I want to say, you take great pictures for comparisons!
     
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  13. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    No... the issue is more obvious.

    But I love the observations!
     
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  14. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    Bingo on this one!

    But not the glaring issue I probably should have noted when I made the first trade. (Hind sight is so 20/20.)
     
  15. TonkaToy

    TonkaToy Si & Am Lover!

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    Hmm, I am intrigued, or should I say, curiouser and curiouser?
    Font on the fake looks a little blurry - but I feel like that isn't it either...
     
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  16. momin.ator

    momin.ator Well-Known Member

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    Mine is fake. I am considering writing to the person I traded to and asking them to send my pin
    back, even though it has been more than a year. At the time I traded, I hadn't heard about a
    fake. It was very early after the release.
     
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  17. noone

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    Hmm, then i'm guessing it must be on the back, i've avoided those cause i can't see them to clearly. How about the strange discoloring issue on the back of the pin on pin element?

    Or they have different FAC numbers, also on the fake the 5 is out of alignment with the other numbers....
     
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  18. TonkaToy

    TonkaToy Si & Am Lover!

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    I think FAC numbers can be different, even on legit pins. It is the factory identification number. Every factory has it's own unique number and I think pins can be made in any one of the locations. I could be wrong about that, but I have heard that before.

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  19. TheMickeyMouseRules

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    I am sorry you received a fake in a trade. Amazing you can remember who you traded with... I cannot remember who I traded with for the first ABC Cheshire... or I might do the same. Also the glaring issue in the fake is bad pin trading etiquette to even consider trading the pin to someone else (IMHO). :eek: Good luck with whatever you decide. I hope it works out. :) (PS: I only liked your post above... not because you said you received a fake... that is awful, but because you are considering standing up for yourself. Liking posts definitely can get awkward. ;))

    Regarding the obvious flaw... I didn't realize (or do it on purpose), but how I took the pictures really disguises the 'obvious' problem. :cool:

    Hint: The issue I should have noted when I traded, could also happen with a legit pin. :confused:
     
  20. noone

    noone Active Member

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    I got nothing left, but maybe that's cause i picked the wrong pin? dunno. Last thing i see is there is a scratch across the letter B on the one pin. But i got nothing left on this one. Sadly i am defeated....
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  21. TiggerSue

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    Just curious - Are we "assuming" the one from the Trade Board is legit? What if someone put a fake on it??? :(
     
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  22. TheMickeyMouseRules

    TheMickeyMouseRules Cat Expert Mouse Authority and Paperfolder

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    I know... Crossed my mind too. Could happen. But unlikely?

    There are definite differences between the pins. And one definitely has glaring quality issues and the other does not (or they are harder to see if both are fakes.)

    If someone does know they have a legit pin... would be interesting to see it.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2019
  23. noone

    noone Active Member

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    Hard to say, i know someone pulled a fake PTD off the normal trading board at a dssh b&b event. I couldn't understand why someone would even bother to get a fake ptd and put it on a board where they knew people were looking for real PTD's when they could have simple bought a cheap booster pin to put on the board that was real. Baffles the mind.
     
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  24. TonkaToy

    TonkaToy Si & Am Lover!

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    I'm guessing it's one of two things: an unscrupulous person dumping a fake they got stuck with, or a trader who is blissfully unaware of what a fake looks like...

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  25. TonkaToy

    TonkaToy Si & Am Lover!

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    Me either. I've poured over the pictures and I can't see it.

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