Announcement Games and Trade Auctions Announcements coming January 1, 2018
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Does this mean that games will be back??
What time will they be announced?
Any chance we can have a discussion on any of the new rules? I'd really like to understand why certain choices were made. Thanks!
Well, I'm really just curious where you all see handmade items here on the forums. If they can't be used in trade auctions or games, and they technically can't be sold (those rules are a bit vague, describing just "other Disneyana"), how do they fit?
On the same note, why disallow handmade items? For Trade Auctions especially, this seems a moot point. If people want them, they'll pick them/bid for them, so they're mostly self-policing. I suppose I can understand why you might take them out of games, since you'd be expecting a pin or some legit piece of merch, but oftentimes, the handmade items are nicer/better/cooler than the official/fantasy stuff. Speaking of fantasy, why allow fantasy pins (arguably a handmade item), but not other handmade items?
Just my two cents and the questions I have.
The DPF Auction House and Pin Games subsection of the forums have always been specific for Disney pins since they were created. It was expanded to include official Disney items for trade auctions, but anything non-official Disney is supposed to be handled in the "other for sale/wanted" section of the forum.
If you look at the General Rules that were posted way back when in 2013 here:
General Rules
The very first rule states "You may post your authorized Disney pins for trade auction in the forum." Over time, we noticed people starting to put up non-pin items up. Eventually, the sub-section had a description added to allow "other items" for auction, but nothing non-official.
As far as fantasy pins go, there was a discussion as to whether we should allow it into the games. Since it is a pin, we decided to go ahead and let it in, with certain limitations. There was even a discussion as to whether we should even allow games to continue in the forum.
yes handmade stuff can still be put there.
These primarily apply to Auctions.. but yes you have to offer handmade things and such for trade or sale in the "other" thread.
I was wondering this too, but it makes sense from a legal context. Although we are not commercially distributing our hand made creations, we are using the likeness of characters that we do not own the trademarks too, making it unauthorized. There is the question of whether or not because we are not specifically selling them, but are more "trading" them with auctions, then why are they not allowed - but it's within the forum's discretion to decide to include or not include unauthorized items. And making the decision to not include any unauthorized item (including handmade) is probably better for the forum overall, because it provides a protection that any items being distributed in these events that have a certain element of "chance" are considered authentic. As for Fantasy pins, I can see an exception being made because of their popularity and the nature of this forum. If this was, per-say, a pokemon plush forum then I could see an exception being made for handmade plushes. Or if it was a forum for Disney Dolls I could see the loophole for OOAK dolls.
My questions are:
1) Why is there a price limit on games, and how were the shipping prices estimated? I understand that it is now required to add tracking, but in my experiences adding tracking to an international package pushes the cost above $10.
2) Are bids of unauthorized goods allowed? For example, am I able to include a commissioned art piece as a bid?
I definitely wonder about #2 as well - how do mixed auctions/games work? What if the auction is for a pin and a handmade item? Or if I bid both? The hard line really doesn't work in these cases.
As for the "covering asses" logic, that would need to be a hard line, too. Fantasy pins are just as unauthorized as a Gerald felted figure that I make, and, I would argue, the pins are actually in more danger of legal problems. Again, just my two cents.
Oh and for the games, I still contend that there should be a time limit, both for making payment and for making a selection. That way, the game can start reasonably and continue its progress without anyone holding up the majority of the group.
Pretty sure I saw that in the rules and the Q&As.
Thank you for the updated rules and clarifications!
I'm happy that there is a sanctioned time limit now for picking prizes during games. Will there be official policy of what happens if the time limits passes without someone picking or submitting their preference list (They move to the bottom of the list, they move down X amount of spots, they are simply skipped and can jump back into line when they get back online, etc.)?
Also - I understand the reasoning behind not allowing the game runner to ask for payment before the game fills up. But, if a player chooses voluntarily to pay early (for instance, if the game is almost full and they know they'll be offline for the next few days and may miss the payment window), is that allowed?
Thanks, starry! One more question - if we want to run a game, do we need to submit it for approval first?
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