What's the difference? * Terminology*
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Ok, so Lots of terms get thrown around with regards to non-authentic pins. And I really want to understand the big differences, as I am sure many others would. I would also love to see the correct terms used regarding pins. I figure this topic belongs in Pin Comparison's because it addresses those different "non-authentic" pins.
Everyone uses the term "scrapper." But Scrapper is not really correct regarding many of the pins out there that we consider no good for trading.
What is a "scrapper?"
So, What most folks call "scrappers" of the hidden mickeys are actually Counterfeits, because the weight, metal, backstamp, and even size are often different. Yes, I am sure there are "scrappers" of those pins. However, what people are buying in lots on Ebay are likely Counterfeit versions, not just scrappers some factory worker snagged and re-sold.
other great threads about this stuff:
Scrappers Vs. Counterfiets (and how to tell)
A sub category:: Can someone please post information on what an Artist Proof (AP) and a Pre-Production (PP) is? As well as details on why they may be different from the standard pin? Or provide the link if there is already a thread topic about that?
Artist Proof & Pre-Production Pins, Trading Pins, Walt Disney Pins | PinPics
While it has no baring on the counteferfeit vs scrapper terms used. Someone requested that we include a bit about PoH, PoDM...
PoH: is a series called Piece of History. These pins have tiny pieces of an attraction actually attached to the pin, and are limited edition.
PoDM: This is the film cell series. It's actual title is Piece of Disney Movies. ((no History in the title folks)) The term "scene" is also used to describe the image inside the pin. This is also incorrect. It is actually a "frame" from the movie, not the whole scene.
For instance: "I really would like any frame from the Mulan Scene on the Palace roof." Rather than "I really want a scene of the palace roof."
Everyone uses the term "scrapper." But Scrapper is not really correct regarding many of the pins out there that we consider no good for trading.
What is a "scrapper?"
- A pin manufactured at a Disney Authorized factory, but does not pass Quality control. This is supposed to be trashed but is instead somehow reaching the secondary market.
- Sometimes a pin that makes it through quality control and is for sale in Disney Stores can also be considered a scrapper once it leaves the store because there are problems with it. ((to clarify: people who are trading for it may call it a scrapper, and not believe it came from a Disney store.))
- A scrapper can have paint dips or drips, rough edges, low gloss finish, or a sloppy backstamp. But it should not have a different weight, color, or incorrect backstamp, or be a different size.
- When disney creates a pin, such as a limited edition of 2000. Sometimes more than 2000 are produced. These overages are supposed to be destroyed once the 2000 quality control passed pins are finished. However, sometimes they sneak into circulation the same way true Scrappers do.
- A pin manufactured by someplace NOT authorized by Disney.Designs for this pin were likely stolen or obtained in some other illegal way to infringe on Disney Copyrights.
- Some counterfeits are getting so good you can barely tell the difference!!!
- A counterfeit can be differentiated from a scrapper because: the metal used for manufacture is likely lower quality, thus making the pin a lighter weight, or even slightly different in color. The paints used are inferior, so color differences can often be spotted. Due to the illegal method of obtaining the pin pattern, sometimes a counterfeit will even be a different size by a tiny bit. The backstamp may have errors, such as incorrect edition size, or even a totally wrong description, and typo's such as switched letters or mis-spellings.
- A pin manufactured by a non Disney Authorized Factory, that does not claim the pin is Official Disney pin trade material. The pin design itself was not stolen from Disney.
- It does not mimic or look like any official Disney pin.
- Fantasy pins often have editions sizes listed, but since it is not a regulated pin, that doesn't mean they are actually limited in edition size.
- Examples of Fantasy pins are some of the super "sexy" Tinker Bell's and Jessica pins you see out there.
- A bootleg is like a Fantasy, however, it infringes on Disney copywrite.
- See some of the replies below for further details.
So, What most folks call "scrappers" of the hidden mickeys are actually Counterfeits, because the weight, metal, backstamp, and even size are often different. Yes, I am sure there are "scrappers" of those pins. However, what people are buying in lots on Ebay are likely Counterfeit versions, not just scrappers some factory worker snagged and re-sold.
other great threads about this stuff:
Scrappers Vs. Counterfiets (and how to tell)
A sub category:: Can someone please post information on what an Artist Proof (AP) and a Pre-Production (PP) is? As well as details on why they may be different from the standard pin? Or provide the link if there is already a thread topic about that?
Artist Proof & Pre-Production Pins, Trading Pins, Walt Disney Pins | PinPics
While it has no baring on the counteferfeit vs scrapper terms used. Someone requested that we include a bit about PoH, PoDM...
PoH: is a series called Piece of History. These pins have tiny pieces of an attraction actually attached to the pin, and are limited edition.
PoDM: This is the film cell series. It's actual title is Piece of Disney Movies. ((no History in the title folks)) The term "scene" is also used to describe the image inside the pin. This is also incorrect. It is actually a "frame" from the movie, not the whole scene.
For instance: "I really would like any frame from the Mulan Scene on the Palace roof." Rather than "I really want a scene of the palace roof."
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