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LE Coronation Elsa (#296)- $400 USD ~ will ship international

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LE Coronation Elsa (#296)- $400 USD ~ will ship international
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Price based on shipping the dolls in the original boxes they came in from the disneystore.com. Doll is brand new, not at all removed from packaging.

Any questions or inquiries, please pm me. My price is firm so I won't be considering offers anymore at this time.

Coronation Elsa - COA 296 of 5000

US Buyers: $400 including paypal fees, signature confirmation insured shipping.
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More pics avail in this photo bucket album:



http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/miss_kay89/library/Coronation Elsa


International

Update 4/24/14

I'm sorry, I'm still rather new to international shipping, in researching prices for members, I just realized international prices vary quite a bit when it comes to location. :doh: So I'm going to update prices here per locations whenever a question is asked.

To send it priority, for international buyers:

Canada ~ Elsa would be $430 (this includes insurance)

UK ~ Elsa would be $445 (this includes in certificate of mailing)

Ukraine ~ Elsa would be $470 (this would include insurance but please note the following notice comes up from the usps site: Acceptance of all mail to Foreign Postal Codes 95000-99999 within Ukraine is temporarily suspended.)


I will still ship only if international online tracking is available and I will only ship to the confirmed address with paypal. (I will not be able to mark the customs as gift if payment is made via goods on paypal, sorry.)
 
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Story said:
(I will not be able to mark the customs as gift if payment is made via goods on paypal, sorry.)
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I´m wondering why you can´t mark it as a gift? When I sell something, I only accept PayPal as payment, but I also always mark the package as gift to help my customers and most of my customers don´t have to pay custom fees. Of course sometimes, custom office wants to see the bill, than the customer has to pay, but nothing ever happened to me. That´s why I´m wondering... maybe there are some international laws I´m not aware of?
 
lulemee said:
I´m wondering why you can´t mark it as a gift? When I sell something, I only accept PayPal as payment, but I also always mark the package as gift to help my customers and most of my customers don´t have to pay custom fees. Of course sometimes, custom office wants to see the bill, than the customer has to pay, but nothing ever happened to me. That´s why I´m wondering... maybe there are some international laws I´m not aware of?
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I think it is the law that if you sell something it has to be marked as merchandise (or whatever it is on the form) I'm not sure though, like a tax fraud or something? Idk. I just REmember once buying something off eBay from the US and asking if it could be marked as gift and they said that would be illegal haha. But I think for something of this price it might be too much to risk if you got found out maybe? I'm sorry if none of what I said is true haha
 
lulemee said:
I´m wondering why you can´t mark it as a gift? When I sell something, I only accept PayPal as payment, but I also always mark the package as gift to help my customers and most of my customers don´t have to pay custom fees. Of course sometimes, custom office wants to see the bill, than the customer has to pay, but nothing ever happened to me. That´s why I´m wondering... maybe there are some international laws I´m not aware of?
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jennisney said:
I think it is the law that if you sell something it has to be marked as merchandise (or whatever it is on the form) I'm not sure though, like a tax fraud or something? Idk. I just REmember once buying something off eBay from the US and asking if it could be marked as gift and they said that would be illegal haha. But I think for something of this price it might be too much to risk if you got found out maybe? I'm sorry if none of what I said is true haha
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^ That's actually exactly what I was thinking. I want my buyer to pay as goods so they can confidently feel protected with this kind of purchase, but on the same line of reasoning I just want to make sure I'm protected as a seller as well. If it was a trade, then yeah, I'd mark as gift.


I'm sorry, I hope this doesn't come off as difficult. I am still a really newbie when it comes to international selling.
 
I always mark as gift. It's ridiculous what customs will charge someone on a doll like this if you mark it as goods. However, if your (the recipient's) region hasn't made its quota, they will def come after a package of this value and charge customs anyway. TBH, if I see an eBay auction that refuses to mark as gift, I avoid it. You've made it clear that you're a nube and don't want to get yourself in trouble, but a lot of times sellers are being sticklers when they realllllly don't have to. Just sharing an opinion and hoping you'll keep an open mind. You'll attract a lot more international interest if you mark as gift :)
 
Aside from the obvious thing, it being illegal, there's a very important reason NOT to mark it as a gift: If it gets lost, you don't get any money from the post office. Nothing. Doesn't matter if you paid insurance, if you mark it as a gift it has no 'value', thus if it gets lost, the seller doesn't get any money from the post office and will have to pay the buyer out of his/her own pocket.
So as a seller never mark as a gift.
 
lulemee said:
I´m wondering why you can´t mark it as a gift? When I sell something, I only accept PayPal as payment, but I also always mark the package as gift to help my customers and most of my customers don´t have to pay custom fees. Of course sometimes, custom office wants to see the bill, than the customer has to pay, but nothing ever happened to me. That´s why I´m wondering... maybe there are some international laws I´m not aware of?
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Most custom services also look at the value and they often don't care if it's a gift. So even if they would mark it as a gift, the buyer would still have to pay custom fees because of the high value (again, in most countries, not all). Some people ask to lower the value on packages such as pins and such but I really don't recommend doing this for values such as $400. ilia89 already explains it really well.
 
Maybe the US is different from every other country in the world but if you mark an item as a gift and it gets lost you should of course get your money back provided you have insurance. What's the point of insurance if you don't get your money back? I'm not sure that part is true. Makes NO sense.
 
Thanks so much for everyone's input. Again if this was a trade, I would have no qualms marking it as gift because no money is exchanged in a trade so I don't think there's any reason to mark it as goods.

But for the same reason I soak in paypal fees in my price because I understand it protects the buyer, I need to do what I feel comfortable in protecting myself in the transaction. I do not feel at all comfortable marking a $400 + value item as a gift when my buyer paid through it via paypal as goods. It's the same reason I would not ship to the address not confirmed wih paypal. I get that most people are trustworthy, but I don't want to be caught on the bad end of a deal with something with so much at stake.

Its really not a matter of being close minded on it. And I hope people do not think I wrote that international price out there in hopes that members don't see that they will have to pay customs. I wanted to be completely upfront so members can decide if my price with the addition of involved customs is worth it to them. If not, I hope we can have the opportunity to work together again another time.

again, thanks so much everyone and I hope what I say above makes sense. And as of now, PMs have been replied to and elsa is still available ^.^
 
FTR, paypal doesn't know / care / see what's marked on the customs form. They only care about the tracking number and how / where / when it tracks. Sorry to keep this derailing convo going, just wanted to make that last
point. I'll shut up now I promise.

Good luck with your sale :)
 
Quasimodo said:
FTR, paypal doesn't know / care / see what's marked on the customs form. They only care about the tracking number and how / where / when it tracks. Sorry to keep this derailing convo going, just wanted to make that last
point. I'll shut up now I promise.

Good luck with your sale :)
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This is correct. They only care about the tracking showing delivered (not even when, how or where sadly). But if you marked a package as a gift and it got lost, Paypal will side with the buyer. And the post office won't give the money back as it was only a gift. So the seller will be out the item+the money they got and not get it back.
As far as I know US works the same way as every other country, but the idea of a gift is it having no value (ie paying no custom fees) so what value/insurance can you get back? Probably zero or the 5$ you actually put on there. And OlafOlaf is correct, if customs sees a very high valued item marked as a gift they will get digging. They won't believe it's a gift, you will have to proof it and even then you may have to pay customs. So, Story, it's good you don't declare it as a gift :)
 
ilia89 said:
the post office won't give the money back as it was only a gift. So the seller will be out the item+the money they got and not get it back.
As far as I know US works the same way as every other country, but the idea of a gift is it having no value (ie paying no custom fees) so what value/insurance can you get back? Probably zero or the 5$ you actually put on there. And OlafOlaf is correct, if customs sees a very high valued item marked as a gift they will get digging. They won't believe it's a gift, you will have to proof it and even then you may have to pay customs. So, Story, it's good you don't declare it as a gift :)
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Hm, I feel like I need to explain how insurance works (as someone who actually works in the insurance industry).

When you purchase insurance, you're putting money into a pool from which some will need to take (ie, a claim) and into which others will contribute for peace of mind and for those who need to claim. Meaning, a few (unfortunate) contributors will need to dip into that pool while the majority will be the fortunate ones who only purchased it for peace of mind.

The value of the insurance is what you place on it. For the example of shipping insurance, I'm placing a value on the gift that I'm GIVING to someone after I PAID for it. Therefore it does have a value. A gift doesn't mean something's free, so I'm not sure where you're getting this information. Either you've had strange, bad personal experiences with shipping gifts or you're just assuming something that simply isn't true.

You would not--I repeat WOULD NOT--be paying insurance unless you could file a claim and receive whatever compensation you agreed upon within the terms of the contract (which should be stated on the customs form you fill out). That's why you can choose basic insurance (again, the terms will be on the customs form filled out) or you can pay for more coverage. Yes, the coverage includes because because, I repeat, you still had to pay for the gift you're giving and so it HAS VALUE.

Aside from explaining the basics of insurance, I can also tell you that I've received payment for claims on items marked GIFT that were claimed as lost--and this service didn't even have tracking, so I really don't undestand where you're getting your informaiton.

As for PayPal siding with the buyer, yes they always will if that tracking doesn't show "Delivered".

I'm sorry if this post came off blunt or personal or attacking. These data-type blocks of text can come across very dry, but really I'm just trying to spread truthful information.
 
Quasimodo is right. I also don´t want to convince here anybody to mark packages as gifts, but what is written above is simply not true.
1. The custom form, which is attached to the package has nothing to do with the insurance of the package. The custom form is ONLY meant for the custom office and does not appear on the shipping document, (The shipping document is the important thing to receive the money back, if the package goes missing).
2. Claiming something is a gift (if it´s not) is not illegal, it may be a lie, but lying is not illegal as long as you are not on trial... If the custom office does not believe, that an item is a gift, the adressee has to pay the duty fees based on the market value of the item, for a LE Elsa doll this would be the value of her selling price on ebay. The adressee can also show the bill and pay the fees based on the bill and NOTHING else will happen. Especially nothing will happen to the shipper.
3. How Quasimodo already said, when you ship an item out, you can ensure it with any value you like or you think the item is worth. It´s absolutely irrelevant, if you paid something for it or if the adressee paid something for it. You also don´t have to show a bill, you pay for ensurance and the package is ensured for this value. Gifts have values as well of course, like Quasimodo said. I´m really sorry, but what ilia 89 wrote is a total misinformation.
4. If or if not the value of the dolls is declared on the custom form doesn´t have anything to do, how you billed your customer. Billing your customer on paypal has nothing to do with the duty office. You confuse here paypal protection with custom fees.

Generally I have the impression that most people here confuse duty fees with paypal seller-/buyer-protection. For the paypal protection it´s totally irrelevant what is written on the custom form, the important thing is, that you have the shipping document. You can read more infromations here: https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security

@ Story: Anyway... of course you can do whatever you want to and you can sell your dolls with any terms you like to... it´s you doll and you should make what you feel confortable with.
I don´t wanted to attack anyone here, I just wanted to point out the wrong informations, that were shared. That´s all.
 
all that said, and I still think it's best not to mark a high dollar item as a gift. she's upfront about it, so buyers can decide for themselves. I would do the exact same as Story. I understand why the international buyers dont like it, but I think its best to be honest and on the up-and-up.
 
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