PIN & POP A Poll and Discussion: Pin and Pop Inspection Process, What Are Your Thoughts?
I'm not sure if distinguishing between a manufacturing flaw & damage is necessary - speaking as a slightly-picky trader, it's not the pin's history that concerns me, it's how nice the pin looks now.This is where I again suggest a pop up to acknowledge that a pin is marked blemished or damaged before an offer can go through, and a trade cannot be cancelled for a disclosed blemish. Or a way to make the condition of the pin more obvious, along with an edit to the blemished condition that notes that this is a manufacturing blemish. I don’t know that newer users or newer traders know the difference between the 2 condition types and get worried with any flags that come up. With the decline in quality control lately, there are going to be rejections more and more for issues that probably shouldn’t have made it out for sale anyway.
I'm not sure if distinguishing between a manufacturing flaw & damage is necessary - speaking as a slightly-picky trader, it's not the pin's history that concerns me, it's how nice the pin looks now.
I think a pop up calling out that the pin has been marked as flawed & agreeing ahead of time to accept that flaw is a great idea!
Trader's searching for a pin can decide ahead of time if they're willing to accept a flaw, & there would be no reason for Pin & Pop to photograph an already disclosed flaw . . . so they wouldn't be offering anyone getting 'trader's remorse' any easy opportunity to back out.
Agree... I don't notice (and don't want to start noticing) this level of flaw detail in my pins that I trade/collect. For traders that care about this... figuring out how to find unflawed pins is on them... not me.I love this in theory, but we can’t all get good pictures of the flaw or those of us who are not so picky might not notice a scratch and take photos and disclose it. So a trader might get something that has more blemishes than they expected and blame pin & pop.
I was wondering about this also.How has nobody voted for option 4? Based on my trades cancelled due to minor flaws I know you’re out there 😄
Yep. If I’m expected to do all this for every pin. I will quit. I am happy to let pin and pop do this. I just wish I could avoid trading with those who want perfection.Agree... I don't notice (and don't want to start noticing) this level of flaw detail in my pins that I trade. For traders that care about this... figuring out how to find unflawed pins is on them... not me.
I understand the spectrum of traders - but maybe it makes sense to have arcade events specifically for 'I Need My Pin To Be Perfect' group of people aside from more typical traders. Or we need the ability to block certain traders who cancel authentic and uncertain pins at a high rate so that we won't have to continue to deal with those persnickety folks making offers or seeing their tables
I wasn't thinking photos, I thought traders could include written notes about a pin?I love this in theory, but we can’t all get good pictures of the flaw or those of us who are not so picky might not notice a scratch and take photos and disclose it. So a trader might get something that has more blemishes than they expected and blame pin & pop.
@hopemax has a theory about the anonymous number - it's the day you joined pin and pop. I think.It would be helpful if trade arcade participants could quickly identify tables and trade offers belonging to previous trade partners, especially if the previous trades were cancelled for unknown or questionable reasons.
In my experience, the anonymous trader number that appears when someone sends a trade offer is unique and static to that trader. If you accept the trade offer, the trader's actual P&P profile name is revealed. Therefore, if you know a trader's anonymous number, you know when that person has sent you an offer. Everyone doesn't want to manually track this information, but adding a trader's anonymous number to each completed trade would be a game changer. I have two ideas that would help arcade participants access this information:
1. In addition to the trader's profile name, include their anonymous number on the "My Trades" page as well. This would add a reasonable level of transparency without sacrificing the idea of anonymous trading. If we've already completed a trade in a prior arcade, I've already had access to your profile name and anonymous number. Including the number on the "My Trades" page would save me the hassle of connecting the dots during a trade arcade.
2. Include an option to show only canceled trades on the "My Trades" page. This would enable a person to quickly see the profile names and anonymous numbers of participants who have canceled previous trades.
Interesting theory.From my observations, I do think the process is to go through pins received in order for the low hanging fruit (easy to review and authenticate.) Then the harder pins get bumped up to more experienced reviewers (perhaps?) Until the hardest land in Jenn's (probably Jenn) cue. This will vary all of the pins sent in by one trader for how fast they get to shipping.
I would bet that these pins all have flaws or blemishes. If they were perfect enough pins, they would have been authenticated. Instead, they went into the "needs a photo" queue, and those probably also go in the order boxes were received. So if they were in a later box to arrive, they will be in a later box to be photographed.Interesting theory.
3 of the 9 pins I'm still waiting are newer and should have the diamond which should squelch authenticity questiions
that's where I keep physical notes of things from past events. Saves me time scanning tables.Or have a pop up that tells you that person has frequently canceled your trades before you make or accept an offer.
To me seems like a lot of the growing discontent with PnP is not the strictness of the grading itself but the fact that the current system gives PnP too much power to influence what traders think of the pins they will receive (i.e blemishes that cannot be seen by eye are flagged as uncertain authenticity).At the end of the day, the volume of cancelled trades feels untenable. I've had more cancelled trades in the last two events than I have had in the previous 6 combined.
I love PnP and I love knowing that the pins I receive will be authentic.
The extreme closeups and marking pins as 'uncertain' just because they are older is ridiculous and leads to this environment.
I understand the spectrum of traders - but maybe it makes sense to have arcade events specifically for 'I Need My Pin To Be Perfect' group of people aside from more typical traders. Or we need the ability to block certain traders who cancel authentic and uncertain pins at a high rate so that we won't have to continue to deal with those persnickety folks making offers or seeing their tables
Vote your way... I am looking for nothing (no expectations - everyone has the right to trade their way).Despite not using Pin & Pop, I voted. I picked 'more', but it's not quite accurate. There are some flaws I'll accept . . . but it was the closest, & I figured that's what you're looking for.
Yes, this^^ exactly.The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Traders who are perfectly happy with normal pins aren't going to be complaining - or even mentioning that the pin they're happy with has flaw-which-does-not-bother-them (there's an idea for a thread - 'What's your favorite 'flawed' pin?'). But someone who ends up unhappy with their trade is going to say something.
It's less a gripe about trader's preferences, and more the undue influence that PnP creates in how they present their evaluations of peoples pins. I think crossing every T and dotting every I is great, but for them to lump minor imperfections in with inconclusive authenticity, also blowing up and magnifying the minor imperfections has greatly influenced a portion of traders into being mislead about the true overall conditions of incoming pins and as a result their decision to accept or decline said pins. I think many a trader have been left feeling slighted at the idea their pin got sent back to them because their fellow trader saw the x1000 zoomed up picture that PnP did not disclosed as being only visible with magnification (and other than that looked pristine) and as a result not only lose out on a pin they're looking forward to but get their ratings on the site dinged.Have had time to settle my thoughts... so giving this discussion topic another go...
The primary observation is not how selective a trader is (everyone is welcome to trade their way), but how the desire for pin perfection is impacting the time spent (ie, the limited resources) by PnP on pin review/inspection. (There are other observations here, but I really think for me this boils down to a resource issue... who receives the resources provided by PnP and paid for by its users?)
PnP's resources are spent on pin inspection to such a degree that it skews the hobby and is increasing the PnP platform user cost.
Why are the resources primarily focused on the desires of the selective traders? It leaves one wondering if PnP is only supporting traders who chase perfection as perfection is the only way to 'do' the hobby correctly. (I know I have had this thought multiple times... and I have had to overcome this thought... that I am not a good trader when I don't see and/or flag a natural manufacturing variation.)
Why do less selective traders not receive the same amount of respect (in the form of resources on PnP) for their view of the hobby on the PnP platform?
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