PIN & POP A Poll and Discussion: Pin and Pop Inspection Process, What Are Your Thoughts?

[Ach West]

This is where I again suggest a pop up to acknowledge that a pin is marked blemished or damaged before an offer can go through, and a trade cannot be cancelled for a disclosed blemish. Or a way to make the condition of the pin more obvious, along with an edit to the blemished condition that notes that this is a manufacturing blemish. I don’t know that newer users or newer traders know the difference between the 2 condition types and get worried with any flags that come up. With the decline in quality control lately, there are going to be rejections more and more for issues that probably shouldn’t have made it out for sale anyway.

I'm not sure if distinguishing between a manufacturing flaw & damage is necessary - speaking as a slightly-picky trader, it's not the pin's history that concerns me, it's how nice the pin looks now.

I think a pop up calling out that the pin has been marked as flawed & agreeing ahead of time to accept that flaw is a great idea!
Trader's searching for a pin can decide ahead of time if they're willing to accept a flaw, & there would be no reason for Pin & Pop to photograph an already disclosed flaw . . . so they wouldn't be offering anyone getting 'trader's remorse' any easy opportunity to back out.

 

[Pidge]

I'm not sure if distinguishing between a manufacturing flaw & damage is necessary - speaking as a slightly-picky trader, it's not the pin's history that concerns me, it's how nice the pin looks now.

I think a pop up calling out that the pin has been marked as flawed & agreeing ahead of time to accept that flaw is a great idea!
Trader's searching for a pin can decide ahead of time if they're willing to accept a flaw, & there would be no reason for Pin & Pop to photograph an already disclosed flaw . . . so they wouldn't be offering anyone getting 'trader's remorse' any easy opportunity to back out.

I love this in theory, but we can’t all get good pictures of the flaw or those of us who are not so picky might not notice a scratch and take photos and disclose it. So a trader might get something that has more blemishes than they expected and blame pin & pop.

 

[TheMickeyMouseRules]

I love this in theory, but we can’t all get good pictures of the flaw or those of us who are not so picky might not notice a scratch and take photos and disclose it. So a trader might get something that has more blemishes than they expected and blame pin & pop.

Agree... I don't notice (and don't want to start noticing) this level of flaw detail in my pins that I trade/collect. For traders that care about this... figuring out how to find unflawed pins is on them... not me.

 

[TheMickeyMouseRules]

How has nobody voted for option 4? Based on my trades cancelled due to minor flaws I know you’re out there 😄

I was wondering about this also.

Note: I am a mod on this platform and cannot see who voted for what in the poll, so don't be shy with how you want to vote. We don't know if you pick #4, but I hope people are being honest if they want #4. Nothing wrong with picking #4. We all trade differently.

 

[Pidge]

Agree... I don't notice (and don't want to start noticing) this level of flaw detail in my pins that I trade. For traders that care about this... figuring out how to find unflawed pins is on them... not me.

Yep. If I’m expected to do all this for every pin. I will quit. I am happy to let pin and pop do this. I just wish I could avoid trading with those who want perfection.

 

[IVMathGirl]

I understand the spectrum of traders - but maybe it makes sense to have arcade events specifically for 'I Need My Pin To Be Perfect' group of people aside from more typical traders. Or we need the ability to block certain traders who cancel authentic and uncertain pins at a high rate so that we won't have to continue to deal with those persnickety folks making offers or seeing their tables

It would be helpful if trade arcade participants could quickly identify tables and trade offers belonging to previous trade partners, especially if the previous trades were cancelled for unknown or questionable reasons.

In my experience, the anonymous trader number that appears when someone sends a trade offer is unique and static to that trader. If you accept the trade offer, the trader's actual P&P profile name is revealed. Therefore, if you know a trader's anonymous number, you know when that person has sent you an offer. Everyone doesn't want to manually track this information, but adding a trader's anonymous number to each completed trade would be a game changer. I have two ideas that would help arcade participants access this information:

1. In addition to the trader's profile name, include their anonymous number on the "My Trades" page as well. This would add a reasonable level of transparency without sacrificing the idea of anonymous trading. If we've already completed a trade in a prior arcade, I've already had access to your profile name and anonymous number. Including the number on the "My Trades" page would save me the hassle of connecting the dots during a trade arcade.

2. Include an option to show only canceled trades on the "My Trades" page. This would enable a person to quickly see the profile names and anonymous numbers of participants who have canceled previous trades.

 

[Pidge]

Or have a pop up that tells you that person has frequently canceled your trades before you make or accept an offer.

 

[Ach West]

I love this in theory, but we can’t all get good pictures of the flaw or those of us who are not so picky might not notice a scratch and take photos and disclose it. So a trader might get something that has more blemishes than they expected and blame pin & pop.

I wasn't thinking photos, I thought traders could include written notes about a pin?

I was picturing a tiered system:
1. Pin has no immediately noticeable flaws: no notes from the person offering it for trade, & no photos from
In & Pop. Flaws that aren't immediately noticeable aren't actively sought out (if I'm getting everything right, this is already what Pin & Pop said they were going to do?).
Trade goes on.

2. Pin has a flaw that the person offering it for trade notices, & specifies a note on the pin (photos are optional, but not necessary). The note doesn't have to be long or complicated, just a quick 'dot of blue enamel from shirt on pants', 'screen printed eyebrows are sideways' or 'I don't know why but it glows'. The person trading for the pin has to click on something to accept this when offering for trade. It doesn't matter what the flaw is or how bad it is, Pin & Pop doesn't take photos of a flaw that's already been mentioned.
Trade goes on.

3. Pin has an immediately noticeable flaw that isn't specified. Pin & Pop takes a picture & asks the person trading for it if they'll accept it.
Trade may or may not go on. (The current system, which I think would work if it was reserved for obvious flaws that weren't disclosed.)

So no fine toothed comb from Pin & Pop, but still some reassurance for people receiving pins, & flaws can be accepted or avoided depending on the trader's preference.

 

[momin.ator]

It would be helpful if trade arcade participants could quickly identify tables and trade offers belonging to previous trade partners, especially if the previous trades were cancelled for unknown or questionable reasons.

In my experience, the anonymous trader number that appears when someone sends a trade offer is unique and static to that trader. If you accept the trade offer, the trader's actual P&P profile name is revealed. Therefore, if you know a trader's anonymous number, you know when that person has sent you an offer. Everyone doesn't want to manually track this information, but adding a trader's anonymous number to each completed trade would be a game changer. I have two ideas that would help arcade participants access this information:

1. In addition to the trader's profile name, include their anonymous number on the "My Trades" page as well. This would add a reasonable level of transparency without sacrificing the idea of anonymous trading. If we've already completed a trade in a prior arcade, I've already had access to your profile name and anonymous number. Including the number on the "My Trades" page would save me the hassle of connecting the dots during a trade arcade.

2. Include an option to show only canceled trades on the "My Trades" page. This would enable a person to quickly see the profile names and anonymous numbers of participants who have canceled previous trades.

@hopemax has a theory about the anonymous number - it's the day you joined pin and pop. I think.