PIN & POP PIN & POP Site Announcements & Ideas

[Chris Nickols]

I know it’s been said many times but I’d still love the ability to bid multiple pins for a grail like pin. I always attempt but know that it’s a lopsided offer. If I could somehow click on two/three/four pins by holding the shift down to make it one bid would be a game changer.

Are there plans to allow bulk trading in the future?

We have thought a lot about multi-pin trades but we have some issues we'd have to figure out for it to be successful. One issue is around rejected trades - if someone trades two/three/four pins it would be discouraging if the trade is canceled because 1 pin is rejected – it's also a lot more work to authenticate 4 or 5 pins on a single trade, but I'm sure we could figure out something with the Trade Token cost on multi-pin trades to offset this.

We'd also like prevent the need for a "back and forth" between the traders during the trade – we've had requests to add the ability to send messages between a Lister and an Offerer but we've intentionally not added this functionality to prevent pressuring by either side of the trade. I think multi-pin trades would have to function similarly as the current one-for-one pin trades... either accept or decline the multi-pin offer without the ability to continually tweak the offer (a completely new offer could always be made like it is today).

Everyones thoughts on the following would be very helpful for me:
1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
3. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?

Thank you all for your feedback!

 

[Ajk]

I'm not the heaviest trader so factor that into how you consider my answers.

1. More than half.
2. Both. But for different reasons. On the higher end, it's to balance out the trade. On the lower end, it's more "You have three pins I want, do I have three you want?" So I think the latter is really covered by 1-for-1 trading, just three of them. It's the higher end ones that need the new functionality. And I am betting you will find that true of most folks. You don't usually need to offer multiple pins to equate to another pin worth 10, 20, 30 dollars. But a $200 pin? Yeah, often you need a couple of pins to get there.

In regard to the challenges you are considering, I think it would be reasonable for you to switch to a token per pin rather than per trade. Technically, that's how it is now anyway (since # of trades and # of pins is generally the same). And personally I agree with your not allowing communication between traders so it would be a take it or leave it situation. As you point out, the person could just try again with a different combo. But it would be really great if you were able to make it a specific offer or "Any 3 of these 7" and the recipient can select. That would likely facilitate more trades.

Thanks for considering it.

 

[IVMathGirl]

1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
About 75% of my trades outside of Pin & Pop involve multiple pins for one. This is because I find regular trading mentally exhausting and prefer to wait for bulk trading opportunities to get most of my higher value pins. I am usually the one offering multiple pins, but I have been on the receiving end as well.

2. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?
Trades outside of Pin & Pop rely heavily on trade values, so doing add-on pins is usually necessary for both parties to feel good about a trade. These add-ons result in most of my non-P&P trades being multi-pin trades.

I prefer Trade Arcades because I do not like the back and forth of regular trading; we either agree on this trade or we don't. If I really want the pin but my trade offer is rejected, I will submit a new bid.