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I uncheck ISO as soon as a trade is accepted. Then if it is canceled, I recheck the ISO. That way I don't keep getting offers for pins I have pending.
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PIN & POP PIN & POP Site Announcements & Ideas
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Here it is Sunday morning. I put an offer on a pin during the VIP hours on Friday. It is still pending. That same pin was offered to me, I think on Friday. I have been waiting to see if my offer is accepted before accepting this offer because I don't want two of them.
We really need to be able to cancel trades in this case. If that person doesn't respond until Monday afternoon, I can't respond until Monday afternoon. It is maddening.
We really need to be able to cancel trades in this case. If that person doesn't respond until Monday afternoon, I can't respond until Monday afternoon. It is maddening.
same, i still have 6 im waiting on. This happens every trade arcade. I have three pending offers I'm holding onto that came in late last night or this morning that need to sit until those get resolved. the ability for us to cancel a trade after a certain amount of time or some auto fix be put in - the 14 day timer on the 2nd chance board works well - maybe something like that.
And now the pin that was offered to me is no longer available. Sooooo frustrating!
Next time this happens, I may just accept the offered pin and set that to auto approve. Then if the other offer is accepted, I’ll set that one to trader approve and then cancel it.
Next time this happens, I may just accept the offered pin and set that to auto approve. Then if the other offer is accepted, I’ll set that one to trader approve and then cancel it.
does the extra charge for 'trader approve' start this trade arcade or the next one?
Not that it matters on mine, as quite a few of those I trade with always end up in the final 15% of being approved and I had auto on for the March arcade.
No they dropped it for this arcade to come up with a better system for charging for trader approve
I think it’s the next arcade. I’ll pay an extra token to not have a duplicate but I really shouldn’t have to. We should be able to rescind offers after 24 hours at least!
I did note the trader who is still sitting on my VIP offer. I will be reluctant to offer any trades on that table next time. Although, if they accept my offer, I probably won’t be as angry 🤞😊
same, it's a shame my NFW list seems to grow from trade arcade to trade arcade, upside it's less tables for me to go through.
4pm Friday until 2:25 for a trade to be DECLINED, which tied up pins for the 95% of the arcade and caused me to lose out on three trades as I went to approve the others pending the pins I wanted were GONE. Yes, they'll be future events, but no guarantees these will be available.
This needs to be fixed, happens to me and others way too bloody often during these events
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Yeah, @Chris Nickols is probably sick of hearing me say it, but the more voices that echo it the better. I think all these scenarios are solved if we are able to cancel offers for pins we gain in a trade. So you would have been free to accept the one offered to you and then cancel the one you had sent. It's not fair to be stuck like that and although there may be some outliers, I think it is clear from comments that the vast majority of people are not seeking duplicates of pins in the vast majority of circumstances.
Have they said why they’ve chosen to not implement a rescind offer button yet? I’m just curious what the downside is. On Friday the VIP hours started before I finished work but I was excited and started flinging offers while multitasking. Surprise surprise, I clicked the wrong one and offered a $45 pin for a $15 pin LOL. Could have used a rescind button at that point (but it is already packed up and I will honor my mistake!) A rescind button would also result in quicker decision making. If you’re the type who collects all your offers all weekend and doesn’t decision til after TA closes, you’ll probably have a lot of grayed out pins that are no longer available to choose from. Seems positive all around to me?
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I know they’re very much exploring it. I think that, in addition to technical challenges, there’s the challenge of what exactly the policy should be. For example, I’m only asking to be able to rescind an offer if I make another trade for that same pin. What you mention is more broad/flexible than that. Would your method change the way P&P works in a more fundamental way? Probably. Would Chris and Jen want to do that? Maybe. Anyway, that’s the sort of thing I believe they are struggling with.
But regardless of the degree each of us would like them to take it to, the more of us saying we want some sort of revision capability the more likely we are to get something. They have shown themselves to be very responsive to their customers.
I sent an offer for a Belle keyblade in the first hour of VIP-only trading in the hopes of securing it for a friend...aaaand the other party waited until the trade arcade ended to reject my offer. The ability to cancel that offer and move on to another trader would have been helpful, especially since there were several tables offering the pin. I noted the trader's name (obviously). For contrast, I also sent an offer for the new Muppet RnR mini jumbo, and it was accepted before the VIP-only trading window ended.
If we were allowed to cancel offers after 24 hours, we would need a deterrent so people won't abuse the privilege. Some sort of measure that says "this person doesn't usually cancel trade offers" might work, similar to the current stats shown on our P&P public profiles.
Lastly, I landed at 24 hours because it allows all participants a full day. Anything less would put traders outside of P&P's time zone at a disadvantage.
If we were allowed to cancel offers after 24 hours, we would need a deterrent so people won't abuse the privilege. Some sort of measure that says "this person doesn't usually cancel trade offers" might work, similar to the current stats shown on our P&P public profiles.
Lastly, I landed at 24 hours because it allows all participants a full day. Anything less would put traders outside of P&P's time zone at a disadvantage.
I think I’m still struggling to see the downside though, or why we’d want a deterrent/ratings warning. If someone wanted to change their mind on something they offered me, I’d rather they be able to rescind the offer than have me accept it and lock my pin up the whole rest of the TA only to find they didn’t mail theirs in, or worse have my pin held a month or more til authentication and then they reject during trader approve. Is the downside that it’d be unfair to those in other time zones? I can see the logic of being able to cancel an offer after 24 hours in that case. I guess in a perfect world I’d love to be able to revise an offer for 5 minutes (like an undo send button!) and also be able to withdraw an offer after 24 hours without response.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I like the idea of revising an offer in the first five minutes; I think Uber has a similar feature. That would solve the oops-situations that many people have experienced.
Regarding a built-in deterrent, I'm thinking of transparency and accountability. There are traders in different time zones, traders on 24-on-24-off schedules, traders traveling, etc. If I notice a trader regularly cancels offers and my schedule keeps me away from the event for more than 24 hours, I might pass on the table during the first half of the trading event. I would have definitely canceled one offer from the most recent trade arcade if given the chance, but every trade offer with a delayed response would not require this move IMO. At the core of these trade arcades is an unwritten agreement that if I offer a pin to someone, the pin is available until the pin is officially claimed by either that person or some other trader. Manually rescinding trades breaks that trust, hard stop. (I also believe holding trades for two days breaks trust, but that's a different conversation.)
Another idea would be that ALL trades expire after a certain amount of time. I believe a regular trade arcade lasts 44 hours, not including the VIP-only access at the beginning, so having trade offers auto-expire after 24 hours could eliminate some of the frustration caused by delayed decisions. The downside to auto-expiration is that some delayed responses result in the trade offer being accepted. If a trade offer is auto-canceled even if I am willing to wait, will I be able to re-send the offer? Auto-cancels would allow trust to remain unbroken (for the most part), but auto-cancels could hurt a portion of participants who are generally unbothered by delayed decisions. (I am not in this group; bless those with patience who walk among us. 😊)
These are all very thoughtful points. Perhaps PnP is becoming a victim of it's own success. I understand the amount of those participating in different time zones. Yet, the way that technology connects us all now a days around the world and that most of us are on our devices more often than not - so someone not checking in .not really an excuse .If someone has a responsibility (job/family issue) you'd hope they'd post that in the notes on their table. Sh*t happens, we all get that - given how chaotic real life is anymore. It really needs to be addressed and unfortunately it's time for some kind of penalty to be enforced, or notes added to a profile (like the star ratings system) - there's been a number of times that I didn't submit a trade offer because of those poor star ratings. If someone wants to wait an entire arcade to make up their mind, please be transparent about it.
The 24 hour wait after Trade Arcade for accounts to be settled needs to be looked at too. 8 times out of 10 those trades post event get cancelled. Given the magnitude of the amount of pins being traded at these events - what was it close to 12K this weekend and you know "Happy Haunts" is going to be 15K - the sooner these can get to Kansas to be processed the better.
If someone out there does this on a regular basis, I'm curious as to the "why" as we should do in life once we understand others point of view on things it helps.