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QUESTION Your Questions of the Month (July)

QUESTION Your Questions of the Month (July)

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This thread is inspired by @Skylinebgrd, but something I've been thinking about for awhile. We have a bunch of new members. Some of you seem to have been at this pin thing for awhile, but some of you are brand new. After 25 years of Official Disney Pin Trading, there is a lot of ground to cover, so people must have questions. So ask away! Consider this your AMA (Ask me/DPF members anything*) and we'll do our best to find answers.

* I don't want this thread to turn into a "Is my pin fake?" thread. Please use the Pin Comparison forum for those. Along the same lines, we aren't appraisers so try to avoid "what is my pin worth?" requests. Mostly, we'd be looking up sold Ebay listings, the same as you are able. If you need help identifying a pin our, Help Me Identify This Pin forum is available.

Hopefully, @Skylinebgrd will arrive to start us off!
 
I would be honored to start off!

There’s so many pins everywhere. Online. In stores. Pink a la mode. Loungefly. PinPro and more. Mystery bag sets, carded pins, box sets etc.

As someone just starting out and looking to build on some traders to better participate in events, what’s the best way to do that?


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Question 2:

How do you guys value pins in general? eBay prices are all over the place and sometimes I don’t even find pins I currently have.

Are there other ways? Especially to make sure I’m doing even trades or as close to even as possible.


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I would be honored to start off!

There’s so many pins everywhere. Online. In stores. Pink a la mode. Loungefly. PinPro and more. Mystery bag sets, carded pins, box sets etc.

As someone just starting out and looking to build on some traders to better participate in events, what’s the best way to do that?
First thing to remember is pin collecting is very much a "marathon, not a sprint." Everyone is very eager to build their collection, and have success trading, but going overboard early is a good way to A. spend too much, B. buy the wrong thing. With over 100K pins, it's hard to find a person who has a pin who want, who wants what you have, and you both would consider the trade fair. The permutations are very high. I don't live near the parks, or have access to popular locations like DSSH or the CM stores, so before Pin & Pop Trade Arcades, I hadn't done much trading in like the last 10 years because finding good matches is so hard. So my advice is:

A. You are better off investing in your own collection, what you actually want vs investing in traders. Converting new pins into old pins is hard, because people with the older pins know where to get the new stuff too, have made connections, etc. There will reach a point where you will say to yourself, "I've spent too much on traders no one wants." So try to nip that in the bud early. The longer you are in pins, the more trader pins will find you by narrowing or shifting your collection focus, sales you stumbled into, pin lots of 5 you bought but you only needed 2 of them, etc.

B. I've always had more success with low value pins than higher value ones. Hidden Mickey / Disney pins and mystery/blind boxes. In the process of acquiring these type of pins for yourself, you are going to end up with duplicates. A lot of duplicates. But so is everyone else! Everyone is looking to complete some sort of set. Most of these are easy to evaluate for fair trades (sure I will trade my Loungefly blind box Alice pin for your Disney Parks mystery box Coco pin). Where with LE pins, people get squirrely fast because people don't want to have regrets by overvaluing or undervaluing the pins involved. This is where I have had great success in Pin & Pop Trade Arcades. Getting rid of my duplicates to help me complete other sets.

C. Some themes are perennially more popular than others. Certain princesses, Maleficent, Stitch. If you have the opportunity to attend a LE park release, event, or a shopping day and there is an opportunity to pick up an extra. This also goes for popular Series. If you happen to be at a park on release day.

D. It can take time for interest to build. I have had pins sit in my trade book for 20 years, and then one day people want it. Maybe, it's a pin for an attraction that is closing. Maybe, it's a movie pin that wasn't popular on release, but a newer trader, 5 years later has nostalgia for. There are traders that I buy, that I throw in a drawer and hope that in 3-10 years there is greater interest than now. The people who have access to the good stuff are going to be the people who can flip their pins, quickly, for other good pins. If that isn't your situation, people need to be realistic about other people's interest in what you have.
 
Question 3:

The resellers. Where are they getting their pins on a consistent basis? I’ll see the market flood with Disneyland Paris or with some other pins.

Are they really getting THAT lucky with garage sales and people getting rid of their collections?


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First thing to remember is pin collecting is very much a "marathon, not a sprint." Everyone is very eager to build their collection, and have success trading, but going overboard early is a good way to A. spend too much, B. buy the wrong thing. With over 100K pins, it's hard to find a person who has a pin who want, who wants what you have, and you both would consider the trade fair. The permutations are very high. I don't live near the parks, or have access to popular locations like DSSH or the CM stores, so before Pin & Pop Trade Arcades, I hadn't done much trading in like the last 10 years because finding good matches is so hard. So my advice is:

A. You are better off investing in your own collection, what you actually want vs investing in traders. Converting new pins into old pins is hard, because people with the older pins know where to get the new stuff too, have made connections, etc. There will reach a point where you will say to yourself, "I've spent too much on traders no one wants." So try to nip that in the bud early. The longer you are in pins, the more trader pins will find you by narrowing or shifting your collection focus, sales you stumbled into, pin lots of 5 you bought but you only needed 2 of them, etc.

B. I've always had more success with low value pins than higher value ones. Hidden Mickey / Disney pins and mystery/blind boxes. In the process of acquiring these type of pins for yourself, you are going to end up with duplicates. A lot of duplicates. But so is everyone else! Everyone is looking to complete some sort of set. Most of these are easy to evaluate for fair trades (sure I will trade my Loungefly blind box Alice pin for your Disney Parks mystery box Coco pin). Where with LE pins, people get squirrely fast because people don't want to have regrets by overvaluing or undervaluing the pins involved. This is where I have had great success in Pin & Pop Trade Arcades. Getting rid of my duplicates to help me complete other sets.

C. Some themes are perennially more popular than others. Certain princesses, Maleficent, Stitch. If you have the opportunity to attend a LE park release, event, or a shopping day and there is an opportunity to pick up an extra. This also goes for popular Series. If you happen to be at a park on release day.

D. It can take time for interest to build. I have had pins sit in my trade book for 20 years, and then one day people want it. Maybe, it's a pin for an attraction that is closing. Maybe, it's a movie pin that wasn't popular on release, but a newer trader, 5 years later has nostalgia for. There are traders that I buy, that I throw in a drawer and hope that in 3-10 years there is greater interest than now. The people who have access to the good stuff are going to be the people who can flip their pins, quickly, for other good pins. If that isn't your situation, people need to be realistic about other people's interest in what you have.

That’s really good advice to have and I guess it makes sense. Thinking of it like a marathon vs a sprint. We’ve definitely spent money collecting, but we also understand our limits. We honestly haven’t bought much minus a couple of pins in the parks. I’m planning on going Monday and getting some hidden Mickey bags as that just seems fun!


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I would be honored to start off!

There’s so many pins everywhere. Online. In stores. Pink a la mode. Loungefly. PinPro and more. Mystery bag sets, carded pins, box sets etc.

As someone just starting out and looking to build on some traders to better participate in events, what’s the best way to do that?


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Avoid cheap pin lot sales on Amazon, eBay, etc as most are scrapper or fakes. Be careful trading on the boards around Disney, unfortunately most of the pins are junk, however, once in a while you'll find a gem.
 
Question 3:

The resellers. Where are they getting their pins on a consistent basis? I’ll see the market flood with Disneyland Paris or with some other pins.

Are they really getting THAT lucky with garage sales and people getting rid of their collections?


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Depending on the reseller, some are buying knock offs or scrapped pins cheap. Others have purchasers at the respective parks that obtain and bulk ship the pins. Some are pin specific dealers and get pins direct.
 
Question 2:

How do you guys value pins in general? eBay prices are all over the place and sometimes I don’t even find pins I currently have.

Are there other ways? Especially to make sure I’m doing even trades or as close to even as possible.


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I tend to think in terms of tiers, and exceptions. So I start with retail prices and edition sizes as a way to set up tiers. Then look to Ebay, or what people are asking for certain pins on Facebook, Instagram, sales threads, etc to look for the exceptions that need to bumped up higher or lower. Most pins are only ever going to worth retail or close to retail. I don't want to trade my $20 pin for a pin I know Box Lunch put on sale for $5. Nor do I want to trade my LE 300 pin for your open edition pin or LE 3000 pin (there are exceptions). Even LE pins from Cast stores are mostly going to settle somewhere between retail and double retail. But then there will be a release with a pin that goes for $300.

Otherwise, values can go up or down, interests can change, so I try not to stress too much about minor differences. Your $30 pin for my $40 or vice versa. In 5 years, you probably won't remember what the trade was or care to look up the value differences. Over time, most things come out in the wash. And I have a knack of holding onto a pin for years, letting it go, and then 3 months later the value after doing nothing for years, suddenly spikes. You can't control it. So as long as you focus on getting pins you want and enjoy, it will mostly come out in the wash.
 
I would be honored to start off!

There’s so many pins everywhere. Online. In stores. Pink a la mode. Loungefly. PinPro and more. Mystery bag sets, carded pins, box sets etc.

As someone just starting out and looking to build on some traders to better participate in events, what’s the best way to do that?


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Mystery boxes/sets are your bread and butter. The newest sets will always be highly sought after since a bunch of can’t go to the parks that often. When looking at what boxes to buy always consider the popular characters for good traders: Stitch, Princesses, villains, food related… anything with rare characters!

Sales happen all the time for non-Disney Park shops like Hot Topic and Boxlunch so you’ll be able to have better luck at discounts either in store or online.
 
Avoid cheap pin lot sales on Amazon, eBay, etc as most are scrapper or fakes. Be careful trading on the boards around Disney, unfortunately most of the pins are junk, however, once in a while you'll find a gem.

I’ve learned eBay, Amazon and the Disney trading boards are all fake for the most part. As is whatnot.

Which is why I’m joining all of these forums. Building connections. Learning. And hoping to trade/Buy


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I tend to think in terms of tiers, and exceptions. So I start with retail prices and edition sizes as a way to set up tiers. Then look to Ebay, or what people are asking for certain pins on Facebook, Instagram, sales threads, etc to look for the exceptions that need to bumped up higher or lower. Most pins are only ever going to worth retail or close to retail. I don't want to trade my $20 pin for a pin I know Box Lunch put on sale for $5. Nor do I want to trade my LE 300 pin for your open edition pin or LE 3000 pin (there are exceptions). Even LE pins from Cast stores are mostly going to settle somewhere between retail and double retail. But then there will be a release with a pin that goes for $300.

Otherwise, values can go up or down, interests can change, so I try not to stress too much about minor differences. Your $30 pin for my $40 or vice versa. In 5 years, you probably won't remember what the trade was or care to look up the value differences. Over time, most things come out in the wash. And I have a knack of holding onto a pin for years, letting it go, and then 3 months later the value after doing nothing for years, suddenly spikes. You can't control it. So as long as you focus on getting pins you want and enjoy, it will mostly come out in the wash.

Thanks for that answer.

I don’t think I would worry about even $20-$30 difference nor a spike in price as none of us control the market as that.

Are different makers worth different? For example we just bought 3 pins from PinPro all LE 300.


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Mystery boxes/sets are your bread and butter. The newest sets will always be highly sought after since a bunch of can’t go to the parks that often. When looking at what boxes to buy always consider the popular characters for good traders: Stitch, Princesses, villains, food related… anything with rare characters!

Sales happen all the time for non-Disney Park shops like Hot Topic and Boxlunch so you’ll be able to have better luck at discounts either in store or online.

Funny you say that. I’ve signed up for HT and BL as my wife absolutely loves the hidden mystery boxes.

But good advice. I’m going Monday to the parks. I fully plan on getting some Hidden Mickeys.


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Question 3:

The resellers. Where are they getting their pins on a consistent basis? I’ll see the market flood with Disneyland Paris or with some other pins.

Are they really getting THAT lucky with garage sales and people getting rid of their collections?
It's like any other business. Once you are established, you get referrals. Most collectors come and go. Life circumstances change, hobbies change, money gets tight, downsizing. So then they ask their friends who will buy their pins and some names pop up more than others. For example, Go Pin Pro established themselves with their Pinfolio product and moved into reselling. But people trust them, and they are successful, so it's easy for FL CMs who leave Disney to go in, and they don't care that they are only getting paid pennies on the dollar, and sell off their collection just for it to be gone. My D Pins in Anaheim, has a large storefront and a good name, so same thing. Certain FB sellers have been around long enough and have a good reputation, etc.

Disneyland Paris pins could just be counterfeits from China though.
 
It's like any other business. Once you are established, you get referrals. Most collectors come and go. Life circumstances change, hobbies change, money gets tight, downsizing. So then they ask their friends who will buy their pins and some names pop up more than others. For example, Go Pin Pro established themselves with their Pinfolio product and moved into reselling. But people trust them, and they are successful, so it's easy for FL CMs who leave Disney to go in, and they don't care that they are only getting paid pennies on the dollar, and sell off their collection just for it to be gone. My D Pins in Anaheim, has a large storefront and a good name, so same thing. Certain FB sellers have been around long enough and have a good reputation, etc.

Disneyland Paris pins could just be counterfeits from China though.

That actually is a really good point. I never thought about overseas pins also being counterfeited. Just the USA releases.

And that makes sense though. It just catches me off guard as I live an hour from Disney and NEVER find people selling Disney stuff for the most part.


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Are different makers worth different? For example we just bought 3 pins from PinPro all LE 300.
Probably, but there is no cheat sheet to figure it out. Unfortunately, a lot of it depends on the interests of the community at a particular point in time. Soda Fountain pins used to be all the rage, but now people are more interested in WDI or DEC (WDCS) pins. When pin trading started, foreign pins used to be so exotic, but now less so. It's easy to find a personal shopper from whichever park on Facebook. Some people only want pins sold by Disney, not a licensee and would turn up their nose at a GoPinPro pin. Some people just don't like a particular business because of a bad experience.
 
Probably, but there is no cheat sheet to figure it out. Unfortunately, a lot of it depends on the interests of the community at a particular point in time. Soda Fountain pins used to be all the rage, but now people are more interested in WDI or DEC (WDCS) pins. When pin trading started, foreign pins used to be so exotic, but now less so. It's easy to find a personal shopper from whichever park on Facebook. Some people only want pins sold by Disney, not a licensee and would turn up their nose at a GoPinPro pin. Some people just don't like a particular business because of a bad experience.

That makes sense.

I’m sure influencers set trends which guide the crowds towards one or the other so that makes sense.

I know what WDI is but what is DEC or WDCS?


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Is there a master list of pins that have been faked? Or somewhat of an exhaustive list?
For a very long time, people refused to talk about fake pins. It brought negativity to the hobby, people didn't like the lack of "proof," I think some people were enjoying getting away with trading scrappers and counterfeits and didn't want the gig to be up, it was talked about in person at pin trading nights or in park trading, but not in online places. So for the older pins it was a lot of rumors and people being coy. There were some pins that were better documented, that unfortunately the lists and tells have been lost to time and old internet sites going belly up. One good thing about the community now is that is no hand slapping about asking questions about fakes, people are more willing to take photos of their authentic versions, etc.

In 2011ish, I started collecting images of pins the factories were selling via online marketplace sites, and I would look up the Pinpics numbers and put them on a blog. I have shared the link over the years, but outside of here, I've never been a big enough "name" to generate traction. I identified over 2000 pins that had been scrapped / counterfeited. It's all old stuff now, and none of the new stuff. But it's here: The Scrapper Files

Then some of the factories moved to selling on Ebay, and it was impossible to keep track of all their auctions. More recently, a factory set up a Facebook account, and I was able to capture the images from it. But I haven't processed them. It's a lot of tedious work that just makes it frustrating to collect. On Pinpics and Pin & Pop sometimes you will see messages in the Description that a pin has been faked. But no, there is no master list. I have ideas about building one, but it's a lot of work.
 
For a very long time, people refused to talk about fake pins. It brought negativity to the hobby, people didn't like the lack of "proof," I think some people were enjoying getting away with trading scrappers and counterfeits and didn't want the gig to be up, it was talked about in person at pin trading nights or in park trading, but not in online places. So for the older pins it was a lot of rumors and people being coy. There were some pins that were better documented, that unfortunately the lists and tells have been lost to time and old internet sites going belly up. One good thing about the community now is that is no hand slapping about asking questions about fakes, people are more willing to take photos of their authentic versions, etc.

In 2011ish, I started collecting images of pins the factories were selling via online marketplace sites, and I would look up the Pinpics numbers and put them on a blog. I have shared the link over the years, but outside of here, I've never been a big enough "name" to generate traction. I identified over 2000 pins that had been scrapped / counterfeited. It's all old stuff now, and none of the new stuff. But it's here: The Scrapper Files

Then some of the factories moved to selling on Ebay, and it was impossible to keep track of all their auctions. More recently, a factory set up a Facebook account, and I was able to capture the images from it. But I haven't processed them. It's a lot of tedious work that just makes it frustrating to collect. On Pinpics and Pin & Pop sometimes you will see messages in the Description that a pin has been faked. But no, there is no master list. I have ideas about building one, but it's a lot of work.

That definitely makes sense. I’m sure when scrappers first started appearing, it was embarrassing to some not being able to tell the difference. But people like you make such a giant difference.

I’m pretty tech savvy so if I can help let me know!


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